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Once again, yet another review of 837, the never ending story. For the last 6 months I've solely used 755 red ox on a gts/r2 med fast low throwing bat, and this was the easiest and best chopping defensive combo of all my setups. Then for some crazy reason I decided to take out my dual sided 837 toxic 3 with 1.0 b on one side and red ox on the other. And my other toxic 3 w 837 b ox. Chopping vs the robopong 540 on 7 ts: You must chop through the ball with a full stroke so at contact the ball is underneath the ball and then finish with a follow through. if u dont do this u will get a high thrown ball/popup. The 1.0 black seem to chop or as i describe it, slice, slower than the ox versions. This could be the fact that black grabs the more and the sponge is underneath the ball so it does not generate speed. Also, the ox versions produce sharp and crisp linear strokes that appear to be faster. Maybe its because the bat is lighter and the laws of physics allow u to swing faster at the ball, i'm not sure and from what i've read online no one really is sure about ox vs sponge wrt speed. Theoretically the black ox should be the slowest followed by the red ox than the 1.0 black but this was not what i observed. Anyways all 3 837's were comparable in speed when chopping from close or far but the 1.0 seems slowest. You will get popups if you stick your bat out and half a$$ it.837 requires a full "slice" through the topped ball to get a low slower return, even if the ball is blasted at u. If you dont use a proper swing, arm and wrist, it will pop so 837 is not forgiving but most lps are like this. I don't think its the easiest to use for a beginner so i disagree with those out. Feint long 2 for a pricey 40 can is very slow and more controllable and provides low throw even on a high throw bat. I dont get popups anymore with the 837 vs robot but it took 1.5 a for me to figure it out. However I do get popups close to the table when the other gives a bh ts to my bh lp. 837 is a little fast but thats my opinion and is not forgiving. As i chop with it, theres a feeling that I'm going to chop long with it. well, the 1.0 is what i would recommend, sorry if i keep flip flopping but after all this time testing 837, the 1.0 version seems best but the stroke must be correct. Anything else will cause the ball to have a high trajectory and for me that was frustrating torture. The 1.0 for some physical reason absorbs the pace of the incoming ball and lands shorter so don't brush off chopping with a 1.0 sponge. The ox versions are about the same in terms of control but i could feel the grippines of the black ox. If you hit with the 1.0 you get a faster ball than ox cause now the sponge is behind the ball and active in the stroke unlike the chop/slice. Also blocking with 837 1.0 absorbs the impact of the high speed attack so the ball lands shorter than the ox's. I think that's all I wanted to say about 837, considering my ooak manifesto. Would I recommend it to a beginner? Yes for the price but No in terms of learning LP strokes if you have a high throw paddle. Most def bats are high throw, can anyone explain what the advantages are for god sake? Playing with 755 red ox on a med fast bat allows me to chop without using a long full 837ish swing. Most faster bats give low throw so the chop is sent back low by default and is quicker off the bat so there is less opportunity for you to mis-swing. Alot of my problems with 837 came from the fact that i could not handle oversized high throw def bats well, i naturally find regular sized bats easier to control. If you've read my 837 reviews in the past, my apologies for any confusion. I meant well and I believe that this review sums up what i really have learned about ping pong and lps. Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Versatile LP with rough tops and friction. One nice thing is that it has a thick bottom sheet so if you play OX and glue it then it is easier to have less bubbles than the bottom sheet of 755 and most other chinese LP. Good allaround LP for a mixed game. Doesn't excel at any one shot, but doesn't hurt you either. Great price.

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A great long pip for starting with decent control in both offense and defense. Although it's pretty good at alomost everything, it excells at nothing... but the cheap pricetag and alround abilities makes it great for someone wanting to try long pips to see what it's like. Not the most durable long pip, particularly in OX.

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